I have this friend right, and shes a 'born again' Christian. Thats fine and all but today in science she and my other friend started to have an argument about the beliefs (this was about how old the earth was) and then after they'd calmed down a bit i asked what was her view on Homosexuality. She said she thought it was wrong but now i dont know what to do...

Im not a lesbian but i really dont agree in what she was saying (she said more than its wrong). And i dont know if i should carry on or like not... I dunno...

The only thing you can do is first of all stay clam. Then state how you feel and your beliefs and be sure to back them up with strong reasons for feeling the way you do. Getting angry and hostile will only make it worse. I grew up with a born again christian so I know how you feel and if you state your postion and don't back down eventually she will get. If you can look beyond on it and be friends that's great if not thats ok too.

I'm a very strong christian.

And I believe homosexuality is a sin, like any other sin.

Which means if you're a born again christian your sins are forgiven because of god's sacrafice (Jesus)

Thus, I see no reason at all to shun them from the church, because in fact, they will not go to hell if they have had their sins forgiven.

Ok lets get one thing straight here... first of all I'm not! I'm gay and thats ok. It is not wrong or a sin! I will not go to hell because God made us all in her/his image so being gay can't be wrong If you think it is then. Fine but I love who I am and I will not appogize for who iam. And if you are such a strong chirstian like you say you are you would just accept what you see and hear about who other ppl are. So get over us queerlings. and move on to bigger issues. I mean people are dying in the streets all over the world and there are children who don't have enough to eat. And hear you are taking issue with who ppl sleep with and love. There are much more imporant things to take issue with then the kinds of sex ppl have trust me dude. I feel so sorry for you and I'll pray fpr you that you will accept people as they come.

Ok lets get one thing straight here... first of all I'm not! I'm gay and thats ok. It is not wrong or a sin! I will not go to hell because God made us all in her/his image so being gay can't be wrong If you think it is then. Fine but I love who I am and I will not appogize for who iam. And if you are such a strong chirstian like you say you are you would just accept what you see and hear about who other ppl are. So get over us queerlings. and move on to bigger issues. I mean people are dying in the streets all over the world and there are children who don't have enough to eat. And hear you are taking issue with who ppl sleep with and love. There are much more imporant things to take issue with then the kinds of sex ppl have trust me dude. I feel so sorry for you and I'll pray fpr you that you will accept people as they come.

right on...

And thanks for the advice... Its all sorted out and i dont think she has as many problems with it anymore...

Ok lets get one thing straight here... first of all I'm not! I'm gay and thats ok. It is not wrong or a sin! I will not go to hell because God made us all in her/his image so being gay can't be wrong If you think it is then. Fine but I love who I am and I will not appogize for who iam. And if you are such a strong chirstian like you say you are you would just accept what you see and hear about who other ppl are. So get over us queerlings. and move on to bigger issues. I mean people are dying in the streets all over the world and there are children who don't have enough to eat. And hear you are taking issue with who ppl sleep with and love. There are much more imporant things to take issue with then the kinds of sex ppl have trust me dude. I feel so sorry for you and I'll pray fpr you that you will accept people as they come.

great post.

i agree with everything you just said, it is natural, it is not wrong, it is not a sin, i personally dont believe in sin as i am a pagan.

i also believe we are created in the Goddesses image, or whatever deity you believe in.

we all have a spark of the divine in us.

blessings and acceptance

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There are Christians who do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. The United Church of Christ (Congregationalist), many Episcopal churches (depends on location), the Unitarian-Universalists, some Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodists are gay supportive. The Episcopal church has an openly gay Bishop! Some churches bless gay unions. It can be controversial, some are doing it.
Simply because one Christian believes that Homosexuality is a sin does not mean that all Christians believe it. Christianity is a very diverse relieion, beliefs vary widely on the subject of human sexuality. It may take a little looking around, but in many areas you can find a church that welcomes gay people.
Epoch0

You guys and gals should check out soulforce.org
They practice MLK based protesting and they are all about religious liberation for gays and more specifically, they give reasons why it's so absurd for those whose follow the bible to shun homosexuals. CHEEECK IT OUT

I'm a very strong christian.

And I believe homosexuality is a sin, like any other sin.

Which means if you're a born again christian your sins are forgiven because of god's sacrafice (Jesus)

Thus, I see no reason at all to shun them from the church, because in fact, they will not go to hell if they have had their sins forgiven.
first of all, I don't comprehend why you even bother posting in the lesbian forum with those views. And second, males aren't even suppose to post under this topic anyway. If you have a problem with homosexuality, start your own thread under some other topic.

I was in Catholic school for 12 years. They shoved alot of bullshit down my throat that I think is B/S. I really don't believe in any of the Jesus stuff or the Bible bullshit. But this is what they told me:



Homosexuality in itself is not a sin. It is not wrong to be attracted to the same sex. This is because that is the way God made you. Acting on the homosexual thoughts is what is a sin. If your a girl then thinking another girl is hot or cute is fine, but engaging in sexual contact with her is a sin. Thats what they told me.

So in short: Homosexual attraction is not a sin; homosexual acts are.

I'm not gay (and I don't have anything against gays either) and I don't really believe in all the Jesus b/s but I did learn a few things in 12 years of Catholic school.

so if someone has a different sexual attraction to yours then they shouldnt do what gives them pleasure?

sex, whether with 2 males, 2 females or a female and a male, is NATURAL.

it is insane to think that people who like the same sex should not do what is natural to them.

homosexuality, homosexual thoughts, homosexual acts are not sins.

i find it twisted that some catholic priests have sex with little boys yet they still preach that homosexuals are sinful.


also, this is a lesbian forum for women, not men, espacially not men who have views that are hurtful.

blessings

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I hate hearing people spew about it being a sin and all that crap, yes I said crap. But getting mad at her and getting into a big brawl over it is not going to change her mind, nothing will. You can of course tell her your own view on lesbians and gays and all but there is no point really debating it with her. People don't tend to change their views about things like this, especially not just because someone disaggreed with them. Too bad :)

It is upsetting when people you care about turn out to have such fundamental differences in opinion, its hard but it will happen. If only we could really change peoples minds and open them up a little....

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I hate hearing people spew about it being a sin and all that crap, yes I said crap. But getting mad at her and getting into a big brawl over it is not going to change her mind, nothing will. You can of course tell her your own view on lesbians and gays and all but there is no point really debating it with her. People don't tend to change their views about things like this, especially not just because someone disaggreed with them. Too bad :)

It is upsetting when people you care about turn out to have such fundamental differences in opinion, its hard but it will happen. If only we could really change peoples minds and open them up a little....

thank you for the advice, i think shes over it, but to be honest i dont want to even talk to her just in case.

Homosexuality in itself is not a sin. It is not wrong to be attracted to the same sex. This is because that is the way God made you. Acting on the homosexual thoughts is what is a sin. If your a guy then thinking another guys is cute isn't a sin but sucking his dick or making out with him or butt fucking him is a sin.

So in short: Homosexual attraction is not a sin; homosexual acts are.

I'm not gay and I don't really believe in all the Jesus b/s but I did learn a few things in 12 years of Catholic school.
lol

*sigh*

I'm a Christian I know who God is and what he has done for me and everyone else who knows him but I'm also a Gay man who is loved by God. I was tought that being gay was wrong but I have been GAY all of my life God will be the only judge that matters or who ever you believe in . We all have a right to say and do as we please but no one has to go along with it that is there right

I'm a Christian and may have just lost the best relationship I have ever lost because of the views of some Christians. I found it too much hearing people tell me how wrong gay relationships are and not being able to mention or talk about my life at Church, and feeling that I am displeasing God.

At a time when so many marriages end in divorce it seems ridiculous that some people are so against couples being in love just because they may be of the same sex. I though we were all made in God's image? I take that as meaning that we are born as God made us? People sin by choosing their own way, or as some people think choosing to be gay! Why would anyone choose to be a minority and be in the way of persecution?

Homosexuality in itself is not a sin. It is not wrong to be attracted to the same sex. This is because that is the way God made you. Acting on the homosexual thoughts is what is a sin. If your a guy then thinking another guys is cute isn't a sin but sucking his dick or making out with him or butt fucking him is a sin.

So in short: Homosexual attraction is not a sin; homosexual acts are.

I'm not gay and I don't really believe in all the Jesus b/s but I did learn a few things in 12 years of Catholic school.Dude get out of here out of here! First off this is a form of dykes so a man should not be in here and secound of all this is a hippie site so if you beileved in the hippy ideals you would not judge people like you do. Find somewhere else to spew your hate for us but not here. After all we have fought for as Lesbians give us a space that is OURS

Hey subHerban Greens: Maybe you should stfu and go back to your bible thumpin... Christianity (And 99% of all other religions) is the only true evil in this world.

Hey subHerban Greens: Maybe you should stfu and go back to your bible thumpin... Christianity (And 99% of all other religions) is the only true evil in this world.
Yeah right! That is a stupid thing to say! There may be extremists that deviate from the true religious meaning or cults that could be sad to be 'evil' but if you knew anything about Christianity in its true form you would know that it is far from evil.

Yeah right! That is a stupid thing to say! There may be extremists that deviate from the true religious meaning or cults that could be sad to be 'evil' but if you knew anything about Christianity in its true form you would know that it is far from evil.
Sorry to have offended you. But I do stand behind my belief that organized religion exists, for the most part to enslave humanity there for making it inherently evil in my books.

I'm a very strong christian.

And I believe homosexuality is a sin, like any other sin.

Which means if you're a born again christian your sins are forgiven because of god's sacrafice (Jesus)

Thus, I see no reason at all to shun them from the church, because in fact, they will not go to hell if they have had their sins forgiven.um, why is it wrong to love someone???

Homosexuality in itself is not a sin. It is not wrong to be attracted to the same sex. This is because that is the way God made you. Acting on the homosexual thoughts is what is a sin. If your a guy then thinking another guys is cute isn't a sin but sucking his dick or making out with him or butt fucking him is a sin.

So in short: Homosexual attraction is not a sin; homosexual acts are.

I'm not gay and I don't really believe in all the Jesus b/s but I did learn a few things in 12 years of Catholic school.so, doing what feels right and loving someone is wrong??

I love to fuck my girlfriend... and the religious nuts can kiss her ass while she's eating me out.

That said, if someone believes it is a sin, fine- he or she doesn't have to engage in great same sex fucking. Not my loss... :)

My opinion has slightly changed over the past couple of months and I know that I don't want to sin any longer and that I need to do what is right. There are things that feel right or good, but that doesn't mean that is the right thing to do. Stealing can feel good, revenge, anger, drinking, sex, doesn't mean they are right or good.

LOVE IS NOT A SIN!

blessings and OPEN MINDS

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It is when it is for something/ one God did not intend.

My opinion has slightly changed over the past couple of months and I know that I don't want to sin any longer and that I need to do what is right. There are things that feel right or good, but that doesn't mean that is the right thing to do. Stealing can feel good, revenge, anger, drinking, sex, doesn't mean they are right or good.But are you going to let a book - just a bunch of paper - and some vengeful "god" control you? why not follow your own morals, your own beliefs on what is right? Think for yourself!

It is when it is for something/ one God did not intend.so what if "GOD" didn't intend it? Think for yourself! No one is better than you. you are your own person. You can think for yourself.

I do think for myself! I use the Bible to guide me, I am no better than anyone else, I sin just as everyone days, I always will do.. I'm only human!

If God didn't intend me to lick pussy, he wouldn't have given me a tongue

Yep, that's the reason!

If God didn't intend me to lick pussy, he wouldn't have given me a tongue
haha well said! :D

blessings
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oh and by the way, "god" did not write the bible, a bunch of people from long ago wrote it, and we dont live how they did. morals have changed, things change!

there is no such thing as sin, it is a made up concept made to scare people into thinking what they think.

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wow, proud to be ignorant.

oh and by the way, "god" did not write the bible, a bunch of people from long ago wrote it, and we dont live how they did. morals have changed, things change!

there is no such thing as sin, it is a made up concept made to scare people into thinking what they think.
Do you even know what the bible says? Do you know who this 'bunch of people' were? Believe what you like, if 'God' did not write the bible, you have nothing to worry about do you?!

thats right, i dont have anything to worry about, and neither should you!
be free!

if you like women, go out and make love to women!

and yes i do know what the bible says, and to me, it doesnt make a word of sense.

none of us know who actual wrote the bible, so why should you follow rules written by who knows who that go against your nature?


blessings
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We do know who wrote the bible and it makes so much sense if you let it and read it with an open mind! And does that also apply to thiefs, murderers etc, who may claim that it is in their nature! There are arguements for and against everything! Just because something feels right, doesn't mean it always is. I know which path I want to choose and I know which path is right for me. I cannot judge anyone else, everyone sins, just need to hope that people realise what they are doing. I believe in one thing, you believe in another, so I'm going to end it there.

fine, but done compare gay people to theives and murderers.

blessings
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*don't

I'm not comparing, I never said the like. You said it is in peoples nature, I am just saying a lot of things are in people's nature. Love, kindness, compassion - all in some peoples nature!

all i am trying to say is, there is nothing wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transexual.

blessings
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Dude get out of here out of here! First off this is a form of dykes so a man should not be in here and secound of all this is a hippie site so if you beileved in the hippy ideals you would not judge people like you do. Find somewhere else to spew your hate for us but not here. After all we have fought for as Lesbians give us a space that is OURSOh, Sorry...
I didn't realize that guys couldn't be here. It was just such an interesting topic too. Anyway, I should have first said that was what I learned in school and don't actually believe the shit. I guess I only remember it because I did a few things with guy friend a few times. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just giving a bit the stuff I learned in school.
I wasn't trying to offend or judge anyone, sorry.

PS:
I'll try to stay out of these forums.

Dude get out of here out of here! First off this is a form of dykes so a man should not be in here and secound of all this is a hippie site so if you beileved in the hippy ideals you would not judge people like you do. Find somewhere else to spew your hate for us but not here. After all we have fought for as Lesbians give us a space that is OURSwhile he's in the wrong too; guys have a right to be here. This isn't a forum just for dykes.

Oh, Sorry...
I didn't realize that guys couldn't be here. It was just such an interesting topic too. Anyway, I should have first said that was what I learned in school and don't actually believe the shit. I guess I only remember it because I did a few things with guy friend a few times. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just giving a bit the stuff I learned in school.
I wasn't trying to offend or judge anyone, sorry.

PS:
I'll try to stay out of these forums.you've done nothing wrong, she's being more disrciminatory than you are. The fact the she says only "dykes" are allowed here is wrong and ignorant.

There are Christians who do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. The United Church of Christ (Congregationalist), many Episcopal churches (depends on location), the Unitarian-Universalists, some Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodists are gay supportive. The Episcopal church has an openly gay Bishop! Some churches bless gay unions. It can be controversial, some are doing it.
Simply because one Christian believes that Homosexuality is a sin does not mean that all Christians believe it. Christianity is a very diverse relieion, beliefs vary widely on the subject of human sexuality. It may take a little looking around, but in many areas you can find a church that welcomes gay people.
Epoch0I know you are right not all christans are homophobic. I was raised Unitarian Universalist and it was and is an extremely accepting faith. Also the majority of my family is catholic other then my parents and brother. who are UU's I am sort of a combo of buddhist and pagas Because I already have a spritual home I am not really looking for a new one. I was only refer to the particular person whom I feel very sorry for another born again chirstians who have either overheard or who have told me personally that they believe that my sexuality is a sin. And when I hear that it really bothers me because we are not doing anything to them. But when i see chirstian who doesn't take issue with being gay that makes me happy. I hope that there is hope for queer rights. I hope that we gays can one day get married if we so choose.

Yes. I do admit that i was wrong. Guys should only be in here if they will respect the dykes that use this form. I applogize for what i said before. I sometimes get carried away because I am so used to being told that i'm a sinner or having some creep o guy try and turn me. But that won't happen. I guess I misunderstood you to mean that you believe the shit.