I've set an age limit of 50 for the Old Hippies Group. I'm not sure if that's about right or not. What do you think?

We do need to restrict it someway, and I figure someone who is 50 was 10 years old in 1967. Should it be a bit lower?

if u base it on how old they were in 67 then the limmit should increase yearly i think 50 is good but hell if a hippy feels old at 30 let em feel old if they feel young at 80 let em feel young

and wondering what you mean by restricted
restrict young hippies from accessing the knowledge of those who been there done that? i think suggesting that its for the older crowd that have been around forever is plenty enough

i didnt vote not cause i didnt have a clue what age would make me feel like an old hippie but because i didnt want to feel restricted to feeling that way on a time schedule just to not be restricted from accessing others who are there already
there are some pretty young hippies as well who i'd argue are very much old hippies

i think if you poll the young hippies anyone over maybe 27 would be an old hippy..lol
let it mean whatever it means to the individual

i'm wondering why you want to limmit it in the 1st place, noticing the usage of the old hippies forum it cant be bandwidth
are old hippies getting tired of young hippies ?
i think old hippies are depending on the young hippies to go on being hippies till they become old hippies
& that takes a passing on of wisdom right? the older & younger must interact for continuation of the development of the society..wisdom flows from those that been there to those that are on theyre way, this is how the paths of continuation are formed without that its easy to get lost
the hippie generation wasnt meant to be a lost generation but a new begining of humanity finding a new way.
how will we find our way if we restrict access to anyone with a map or a clue which way to go?


maybe im taking this restriction too literaly
just not sure what your trying to accomplish by this

I agree in some ways with Soaring..
being a hippie is a state of mind..
an inner feeling..it's ageless..
but..I voted 40..
otherwise..this group should get another name..

Tiger

Well.....hmmm
I see it this way.....no matter where yer butt turns
Always that divider thangy hanging I guess
Example:..Age/ old-young
Kids/ yes-no
Drugs/ did-didn't
Lived like a hippy back then or not
(belated hippy)

These are all things we vary in

Now mind you trying to stay focused here with 'subject' 'age limit'
I do find myself checking ages an snooping to find more closer to my 'age'
But...have learned as well back walked among the 'hippy young' some were the very ones that sold me out to the luv which landed me right into rainbow family

Ok maybe we could find a comfy zone.....suggestion / age groups like list maybe
Example: 10 year like forum
under it those born before 1950 to 1960
then 1960-1970
an so on

I mean....there are ways to sub check this....or just council on it ....maybe just private
council on who's comfortable within that said circle

Ok i'm going off on deep end here an I'm really trying hard to stick with 'subject'

(((((Hugs))))

I think that 40 is a good age , that seems to be about the time that you put away certain things of yer youth and begin to realy settle into the next half of yer life and look into the future , and about the time that the true hippies begin to sit up and take notice of what little has changed around them , and how much there is left to do , such as the youth , and getting them pointed in the right direction , or trying to anyway. All this is going to be theirs someday...and they need to learn the right ways from someone.

i'm wondering why you want to limmit it in the 1st place, noticing the usage of the old hippies forum it cant be bandwidth
are old hippies getting tired of young hippies ?
i think old hippies are depending on the young hippies to go on being hippies till they become old hippies
& that takes a passing on of wisdom right? the older & younger must interact for continuation of the development of the society..wisdom flows from those that been there to those that are on theyre way, this is how the paths of continuation are formed without that its easy to get lost
the hippie generation wasnt meant to be a lost generation but a new begining of humanity finding a new way.
how will we find our way if we restrict access to anyone with a map or a clue which way to go?
Bingo.

Shouldn't it read as "Minimum Age"? I mean, just for understanding's sake. I clicked on this link simply because I thought "Age Limit" implied you couldn't be ABOVE a certain age and I found it odd. :tongue:

Well.....hmmm
I see it this way.....no matter where yer butt turns
Always that divider thangy hanging I guess
Example:..Age/ old-young
Kids/ yes-no
Drugs/ did-didn't
Lived like a hippy back then or not
(belated hippy)

These are all things we vary in

Now mind you trying to stay focused here with 'subject' 'age limit'
I do find myself checking ages an snooping to find more closer to my 'age'
But...have learned as well back walked among the 'hippy young' some were the very ones that sold me out to the luv which landed me right into rainbow family

Ok maybe we could find a comfy zone.....suggestion / age groups like list maybe
Example: 10 year like forum
under it those born before 1950 to 1960
then 1960-1970
an so on

I mean....there are ways to sub check this....or just council on it ....maybe just private
council on who's comfortable within that said circle

Ok i'm going off on deep end here an I'm really trying hard to stick with 'subject'

(((((Hugs))))


yes there we go, the age limmit should be, when your showing signs of dementia & senility


(just jokin with ya cause you totaly confused me here..lol)

I voted 45....seems that there would be some awareness of what was happening somewhere between 45-50, even if it was just feeling the vibe...40 would be a good age too...some very aware 40 yr. olds around here...

I sound really decisive don't I? ;) But, I don't feel it should be as high as 50... There are some very cool, mature folks around here who are 40 and up...

Soaringeagle

Star here has learned NOT to post when sleepy lol
sorry about that

Adds note:

40 sounds alright to me
Couldn't we just 'bend' the age a bit for that 'few' ?

38.756429 ofcourse it must be calculated down to the exact minute & if they try to enter 1 minute early we dismember them & hide the body parts all over the country

adds i shouldnt post while sleepy either
but if i stuck to that i'd never post

Lol

If there is to be a age limit, A lot of hippies raised their kids in a hippie lifestyle and they were born into it and maybe even more hippie then the original ones were bc they were raised in it and lived it since birth.. by the time we olduns had kids we had pretty well gone hippie but still had some residual baggage from our straight upbringing. On the other hand we taught our children differently a broader outlook on things, and hippie is more acceptable these days, as to when we were stomped in the dirt... but I do not think anyone yonger should be excluded.. that causes bad vibes and we don't need any of that spinning around. Do as thy will.. but harm none.. if this venue of connection is to become a cliche or only cool ones allowed type thing, it is not hip nor is it cool to discriminate.. damn.. didn't we fight to aboilish discrimination in the 60s.. why would we hippies bring it back to our own table?!? I still walk with a slight limp on cold days bc of a night stick finding my kneecap at a sit in on Haight Street demonstrating against discrimination.

I thought we already had an old hippies forum.. how could you keep the younguns out anyway.. unless you made it private and what if your old enough and still can't get in bc the mod doesn't like you or someone in the group doest like you or doesn't think your hip enough bc you haven't gone solar or quit smoking or aren't vegan. Someones feelings are going to get hurt.

I have seen great posts from the younger ones, fresh as the morning dew with their egerness and postitive energy.. alot of them grasping the hippie ideals better then some who where there. They don't hold the same predigests as we were raised to believe and have tried to live down.. They are our future and we should support them with our wisdoms if we have any to pass on. What is the use of having wisdom if you don't share it.. it's like music.. it is Majick to be handed down from generation to always have and hold. A thing to contenue on and on, carried on a vibration, a feather of light from one to the other in crystiline clearness of intent, marking each turning as an elevolution of Spirit.

Segragation is like a punishment..why would we want to seperate ourselves from our young.. who will teach them and what will they be learning.

I don't mean to sound negitive or anything to anyone.. just my earily morning thoughts on trying to keep the kids out. Ya can't keep them out unless you lock the door and how would you know if they are as old as they say they are or as young, for that matter.. it looks to me like it would be a lot of un-nessesary hassle for you Skip.. locked forums?!? only Mr/Ms Cool may enter, the eliete crowd. What about the mods that are under 40.. where would it end.. anyone over 70 is not allowed either... ohh myy.. I have said too much again..again, just questions that arize in my mind. not necessarly the opinion of other hippies or this forum..

Brightest Blessings to All
sh

Before this thread/poll was started skip started another thread announcing the activation of the old hippies group in which says~
The Old Hippies Group is now up and running! Anyone 50 or over is welcome to join us. Everyone else is welcome to view the group page and participate in its forums. Enjoy!
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255999
is this not inviting everyone to participate??
Which i do think a certain wisdom and knowledge does come with age and experience,,as shameless heifer says in her post alot of hippies raised their kids in a hippie lifestyle,,which is what would be happening here,,,the elders or the old hippies would be posting the articles and reviews,,whereas,,the 'younger hippies' (but yet growing older dailey,,,who will one day be old hippies themselves), is looking at the articles and reviews and then posting in the group forums to share their thoughts and ideas,,,,
i really didnt think even if there is a age limit put on the group,,,that particaption in the group was ever discouraged,,we are all one family here,,,young and old.

Peace~Love~Light

Oh right... Had to read the first post 2x but i got there :)
um... I think that its okay for it to have an age restriction but it shouldn't - lets face it from the view of one particular young 'un (actually, not that young GCSEs!! People GCSEs!!!) Why would you want to join a old hippie group?? Posting in the forums is fine but joining a group is different and well why would you want to be in that group??

But then again if some people do want to join then i dont see why they shouldn't be allowed to just because of their age. I mean you dont see a Young Hippie club do you?? Theres nothing restricting you from joining what you want so why have stop others?? They havent stopped you so why stop them? Heck they didnt even make such a club.

The only thing you have accomplished here is to make me feel old....
welp- I have the mentality of a 4 year old does that make me to young?

Before this thread/poll was started skip started another thread announcing the activation of the old hippies group in which says~

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255999
is this not inviting everyone to participate??
Which i do think a certain wisdom and knowledge does come with age and experience,,as shameless heifer says in her post alot of hippies raised their kids in a hippie lifestyle,,which is what would be happening here,,,the elders or the old hippies would be posting the articles and reviews,,whereas,,the 'younger hippies' (but yet growing older dailey,,,who will one day be old hippies themselves), is looking at the articles and reviews and then posting in the group forums to share their thoughts and ideas,,,,
i really didnt think even if there is a age limit put on the group,,,that particaption in the group was ever discouraged,,we are all one family here,,,young and old.

Peace~Love~LightThanks for saving me the trouble of pointing that out Wyldwynd! :)

There are PLENTY of places for young hippies to play on this site. There is no need for them to HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING, is there?

Some of them have caused us more problems than even having a YH forum is worth.

Do you really want them coming in here and asking you how to define a hippy? Over and over?

Or trolling this Group with BS?

Or discussing their latest hippie fashions?

Like there is NO OTHER PLACE in 500+ forums for them to do that?

They can't even stay on topic for ONE POST!

Much less even be bothered to TELL YOU THE TOPIC IN THE TITLE...

Do you want to read thread after thread entitled "Shit!", "Damn!", "Fuck".

Tell me if you do, cause then I'll just can this whole group and leave things as they are now, and never again bother to help my fellow hippies, cause I really must not have a clue what I'm doing here after 11 years...

I'll tell you one thing, I won't participate in an "Old Hippies Group" overrun with young hippies. NO FUCKING WAY. We are our own peer group, and as I've said b4, there is NO PLACE ON THE NET FOR US YET.

This despite the fact that HIPPY.COM was originally created just for OLD HIPPIES to gather...(there weren't many young hippies until hippy.com came into existence - at least very few who identified themselves as such). Hippy was a BAD word until hippy.com arrived to set the record straight.

This is my final attempt to provide a space for Old Hippies. Don't want it, fine! I have lots of other things I could be doing....

Learning more fully what this is about.. I tend to agree, if it is a group I don't see any harm in it... I was just trying to find out more about what was going on.. asking questions is the only way to find out.. Skip I appreiciate your making a place for old hippies with out all the stuff you have mentioned above. Yes we do get tired of answering the same questions all the time and yes the kids do behave like kids.. It just not explaned enough as to what the "group" is about.. No offence intended.
sh

It's gonna be difficult to start this group..
if it's gonna be a battle of words..:H
you can cross my name out..
hippies should join hands..not clash..
for my part...age is a number..I'm 61..
I was a travelller with hippie ideas..that's all..:)
in a group like this..strong moderators will be necessary..
I suggest 2 names..Shameless Heifer+Willow Jon..
or even Wyldwynd or Soaring Eagle...
we should see the essence HOW people post..
what they represent here in this forum..
for the rest..let's see what happens..
that's my 2 cents..now crucify me..ahah..:leaving:
Tiger

I have always gravitated to the Hippies Community on Hip Forums, but it is frequented by mostly teens, and sometimes I feel "old" there. I go to Old Hippies and not very many people start threads there. (Where are the old hippies)

How would it be any different in a Hippies Group.? Would we suddenly find diverse subjects to discuss.? I like the idea of an older crowd though.!!!

I do think a group would make it possible to be more holistic about our topics of conversation, as threads wouldn't be moved everytime you wanted to talk about anything other than Hippies Specifications, and what they are, wear, do, etc.

Perhaps we should go along with the familiar saying,
"Don't trust anyone over 30", and consider anyone over 30 as an "Old Hippie"

I have to agree with Skip...I like the younger hippies just fine, but it would be a great thing to have an Old Hippies forum where other topics can be discussed besides "what does it mean to be a hippie?". Forgive me if this seems intolerant, but I remember how the Old Hippies forum used to be 3,4,5 yrs ago (some of you probably do too)...a tight community of older folks who came together to share mutual concerns and memories. The young hippies did come into the forum, and it was fine until the same questions kept coming up over and over again, the "what do I have to do to be a hippie" type stuff. There were a lot of answers from the old hippies (over and over again), and lots of patience, but the patience wore thin with some folks...that is about when the young to old hippie FAQ was created to answer some of the questions that got asked over and over again, ad nauseaum...(sp?) I'm not saying that this influx of young hippies was what kinda splintered the community (I do think it was one of the factors), but splinter it did, for, I believe a number of reasons. I miss those folks; they REALLY helped me get through a very difficult period of my life, and I would like to get that community feeling back. Not all the same folks will come back (some have drifted away for other interests, a few, I must say sadly, have died), but the community feel can come back, I think...

Again, I'm sorry if I sound anti- young hippy; I'm not, but I do feel it would be nice to have a forum where the older folks can hang out and share older hippy/older folks stories and concerns... :)

38.756429 ofcourse it must be calculated down to the exact minute & if they try to enter 1 minute early we dismember them & hide the body parts all over the country
I hope you realize it IS possible to make it exactly 38.756429 if you want... ;)

It's gonna be difficult to start this group..No, it's already been started... Wasn't difficult, just time consuming.

if it's gonna be a battle of words..:H
you can cross my name out..
hippies should join hands..not clashThat's what I'm trying to avoid by keeping out the YH...
I guarantee you'll get a never ending one if they're here.

for my part...age is a number..I'm 61..I agree, with varying levels of maturity at every age.
But we are talking about the experience of a generation.
A generation that actually went out and protested what was wrong with this country.
That was ONE generation. There are others that don't hold the same ideals we did then and many of us do still today.
I want to honor that generation and not diminish/dilute the message, just as I did on Hippy.com and in my book, Hippies From A to Z.
If we mix our unique history and experience, with that of today's teenagers, we will blur the message, and lose vital impact, as I've seen happen across these forum for the past 10 yrs.

This may be our last chance to CHANGE THE WORLD. Yes, we need the other generations to help, but in order to inspire them, our message must be pure and on target, not dragged down in pointless debates about who is and who isn't a fucking hippie...

in a group like this..strong moderators will be necessary..I highly doubt we will need any mods. From what I've seen old hippies are quite polite and don't need management, besides kicking HHB's ass once in awhile ;)

that's my 2 cents..now crucify me..ahah..:leaving:
TigerOld Hippies have already been crucified by society. No reason for me to have to bother...

I must also remind all you old hippies of our experience during the 60s & 70s when our ranks were infiltrated by FBI undercover agents who did everything possible to prevent us from organizing on a National level.

That was the kiss of death to the hippy movement, and most political movements to this day (they are still being infiltrated and compromised).

Have you FORGOTTEN the lessons we learned?

Must we go thru it all again?

It's bad enough the YH have it tough. That's because WE FAILED to follow through for various reasons. Or we went off into our own little "utopian" dreams via communes or drugs, or got "scared" straight.

If we had our act together, we would've ended this stupid war in Iraq FOUR YEARS AGO, or would never have allowed it in the first place...

But no, we were, and still are being undermined by powerful interests, as we relive the Vietnam war and our other failures over again (like 800,000 people being arrested for marijuana each year!).

There, that's something we NEED to be discussing among ourselves...

How we FAILED to realize our vision...

And what we're gonna do about it NOW!

Grins lol

Just read this whole forum over..... real slow
See.....we can come to the 'circle' an look into each others eyes :)
We are a good example of the word 'hippy'
That said.....'coughs'

I do like the idea of a special tent in the big meadow where I might feel more comfortable to let my hair down
(an take off my outter skin) so to speak
Maybe run nakkid' LOL

Now ya got my butt in here .....now
Lets all join hands :)

OM

Hugs 'winks'

O.K. Skip..I got your points..but I don't totally agree..
I still believe a mod is necessary..
anyway..so..what's gonna be the age limit??
and 5 group members so far..is that all??:H
where are all the others??no guts to join or what??
Southernman is a great fellow..
he's from Munich??(Germany)aww..Bavaria...:)
Tiger

let the love shine in :)

Some of them have caused us more problems than even having a YH forum is worth. yeah, SOME of them.

Do you really want them coming in here and asking you how to define a hippy? Over and over?

Or trolling this Group with BS?

Or discussing their latest hippie fashions?I never asked ANYONE how you define a hippy. Whats BS?? And what makes you think that fashion is gunna be what everyones talking about?

They can't even stay on topic for ONE POST!

Much less even be bothered to TELL YOU THE TOPIC IN THE TITLE...

Do you want to read thread after thread entitled "Shit!", "Damn!", "Fuck".Thanks for not stereotyping me with the millions of other young people in the world today.
I can't say I recall a thread called shit or damn or fuck but hey maybe I missed it... Plus i know people that dont swear at all that are my age.
All threads i started i have entitled correctly.


This despite the fact that HIPPY.COM was originally created just for OLD HIPPIES to gather...(there weren't many young hippies until hippy.com came into existence - at least very few who identified themselves as such). Hippy was a BAD word until hippy.com arrived to set the record straight.Hippy is still a pretty bad word where i am regardless of this site. People still make fun of hippies...


Tell me if you do, cause then I'll just can this whole group and leave things as they are now, and never again bother to help my fellow hippies, cause I really must not have a clue what I'm doing here after 11 years...Never help hippies out again because they decided to include people of the younger generation?


I'll tell you one thing, I won't participate in an "Old Hippies Group" overrun with young hippies. NO FUCKING WAY. We are our own peer group, and as I've said b4, there is NO PLACE ON THE NET FOR US YET.Before you all say it wasn't directed at you or dont take it personally, well you dont see young people behaving this way or saying things like this to people of the older generation and frankly i wouldn't want to join group anyway like this. So well done. You've put me off.

Though bearing in mind this is NOT a personal attach (just in case) but I am fed up of being stereotyped and I thought that this was the one place it wouldnt happen. (part from my home...)

I'm 46 now, and may not be around to see #50. Maybe I wasn't old enough to be really involved, but I was exposed to the times and I also believe we can still make it better.

So, I voted for #40 cutoff.

yeah, SOME of them.

I never asked ANYONE how you define a hippy. Whats BS?? And what makes you think that fashion is gunna be what everyones talking about?

Thanks for not stereotyping me with the millions of other young people in the world today.
I can't say I recall a thread called shit or damn or fuck but hey maybe I missed it... Plus i know people that dont swear at all that are my age.
All threads i started i have entitled correctly.

Hippy is still a pretty bad word where i am regardless of this site. People still make fun of hippies...

Never help hippies out again because they decided to include people of the younger generation?

Before you all say it wasn't directed at you or dont take it personally, well you dont see young people behaving this way or saying things like this to people of the older generation and frankly i wouldn't want to join group anyway like this. So well done. You've put me off.

Though bearing in mind this is NOT a personal attach (just in case) but I am fed up of being stereotyped and I thought that this was the one place it wouldnt happen. (part from my home...)
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. You can expect these kinds of interruptions CONSTANTLY with YH here.

Thanks for reminding me to keep YH out of this forum. You have the hippie forum to play in. Or should I just stop anyone from under 18 from accessing these forums? I'm more than ready to do that, now.

I don't need to waste my time on this drivel.

OK, I've decided to draw the line at 40 yrs of age. People that age might not have been part of what happened in the 1960s, but they did parttake of the 1970s and have experienced enough and are mature enough to understand where we are coming from.

From this point on, only members of the Old Hippies Group can post in the Old Hippies Forum, The Old Hippies Group Messages and Old Hippies Polls (this forum). The Flashbacks, Back to the Garden and Hippies Forums are still open to all.

So if you're not signed up yet, you won't be able to participate in these forums.

Don't get wound up, Skip, I understand why you're doing it. I wish there was another way, but using age seems to be the simplest way to cull the nuisances. After all, they can still READ it, can't they?

Besides, using age as a boundary is a hippy tradition. Remember when we wouldn't trust anybody over 30? 8o)

Wow, what a trip! I just read all of the posts and I understand everyone's point of view which makes it kinda difficult to choose. I can understand Skip's point of view on maintaining a focus for the older crowd and there are other outlets for the youngins. I had an idea about sharing our wisdom - is it possible for the posts to be read by non-members but they can't reply that way, if the youngins are interested, they can check out our point of view. They could have a forum to discuss something they saw here and if we wanted to play, we could and that way it wouldn't compromise the focus of this forum. Is this feasible?

I have been 'busy for a while and hadn't been posting a lot..

Now that I am 'back' I see and hear a lot of crap from the YH..I shouldn't really call them young hippies bc they are not HIP to what it was all about.. hippie is fashion now.. not a lifestyle...They seem to have a vail over there eyes and heart..I don't mind so much having a heated dicussion with an older adult bc at least they have a clue.. but I have had my fill of being cussed out by a teenager that never did a days work in their lives and that don't get the message of the 60s/70s yet try to claim the name Hippie..

I was in a thread the other day. It was about Woodstock.. so I droped in. good grief.. that thread read like a childrens story.. when I tried to bring some realizum into it.. my contribution from a Being that was on the fricken road there, was snubed and when I asked them to show more realizum I was told to Fuck OFF and "Slither" back from the rock I crawled out from under, by a 19 yr old. Then she demanded that I stay out of the forum. If she had been standing in front of me, I would have brought her to council in a heartbeat.

Pleiadian.. If they would take a topic from our posts and discussed it, I would faint.. pure D faint! They are not here to learn.. they are her to flaunt their stuff and magnify their egos and impress some 'Hot' guy/chick..There have been a few.. a small few that 'get it' some that are looking for the truth.. the truth is hard to see sometimes when the judgement is cloudy, when the facts are not concidered.

I have been flamed and flamed back, as most of us have.. I have also 'learned' that when you discuss something with these 'hot headed teens' your liable to walk away shaking your head in sadness bc the message is lost to them.

Perhaps it's just me.. I'm a hard core mother fucker, I lived it then and I live it now.. I don't sugar coat anything. I tell the truth. I tell it from the experience of the battle itself.. a war on drugs indeed.. it was a war on the hippie, open season if you will, they use to kill hippies in some states in the earily 60s.. you either stood up and physically fought, got up and ran like hell was after you or surrendered.

My point being.. if the younguns of today is our future tomorrow, then someone shoot me now bc they will have us in consentration camps before it is through. What ever happened to respecting your elders.

a fed up heifer

Shameless I agree totally with you so I am not going to quote your whole post...I have been coming here now for quite some time now.....and though I never really subscribed to to the school of thought pertaining to labels and titles...my age has classed me into the "hippie" group which the youngin's seem to gravitate to seeking info about the times....the sad part of that is usually they are only interested in the drug related issues of the times...and having had my share of the personal attacks...I have not given up on posting in the forums..but I have been rather stand-offish ...I know this younger generation really doesn't have a clue about what struggling to survive is really about...I hate to group them all into a stereotypical group...cuz I have met alot of younger people who really have a geuine concern and a perception that supercedes that of people from the times....and personally...I believe since we were granted the opportunity to be a part of time passing and advancing with it...I feel it is our responsibility to keep "carrying the torch" and educate those interested in working towards a common goal for the individualism we all seeked....but not at the expense of personal attack or belittlement.....hell we are from the generation that believed anybody over 30 was the "establishment"...well we have become the "establishment"....it's just we don't subscribe to the plastic phoney society we have been transported into the future with...or that is my own personal observation and belief...so in referrence to the original question regarding age...yeah 40 is a fair cut off...and stills encompasses a generation that was influenced by the times and helped make them who they are

I think seeing how fucked up everything is is a normal part of growing up. I was such a programmed child of the 50's, it didn't kick in for me until I was 20 and got turned on.

I see the kids today coming in awake and having a culture shock when they land here. We fight what we don't understand. I did and I learned that fighting begets fighting and love conquers all. I haven't met a kid (or adult) yet that doesn't respond to sincere affection.

I channel a Pleiadian and he said "honor the button pushers for they are your salvation" - meaning if someone gets you riled up, bless them for they have shown you some negative programming that is not serving you so you can get rid of it and replace it with a higher vibe definition. My kids have been unmerciful in that regard - they stomped on my buttons hard and it was a most wonderful gift. I want to grow up to be the best humanoid I can be :-)

I'm sure it's me tho Fyl ;) I always seem to lecture.. it's my training. I can't help but SEE past the skin of it. seeing surrfering in others and trying to correct everythin disassembiled and place it back where it belongs, you get 'thick skined'.. not that you don't care or aren't sympathic, it just takes too much time to 'baby sit' and spraypaint it a pretty color untill it's unreconisable and the message it lost. With age comes experience.. with experience comes wisdom. I din't think it's a good idea for the kindergardeners to be going to school with the collage kids..

Glad to have a place where one can relax a bit and talk adult talk.

Bright Blessings
sh

I haven't forgotten how to love--I am serious and I am a jackass--I have stories and I am old--I am young,yet I remember--And I will gladly come here--and I hope I can contribute something worthwhile occasionally.

I'm sure it's me tho Fyl ;) I always seem to lecture.. it's my training. I can't help but SEE past the skin of it. seeing surrfering in others and trying to correct everythin disassembiled and place it back where it belongs, you get 'thick skined'.. not that you don't care or aren't sympathic, it just takes too much time to 'baby sit' and spraypaint it a pretty color untill it's unreconisable and the message it lost. With age comes experience.. with experience comes wisdom. I din't think it's a good idea for the kindergardeners to be going to school with the collage kids..

Glad to have a place where one can relax a bit and talk adult talk.

Bright Blessings
shWow! I'm really amazed already at this group, and the great ideas you're sharing!

I want to share with you my experience yesterday in San Francisco at the 40th Anniversary of the Summer of Love. I'm going to write up a whole thing on it, got great pix, etc., but the MOST important thing was the message everyone was sending out - LOVE is the answer!

Country Joe McDonald, Raz Manzerek and Marty Balin were just a few of the original hippies on stage, on message Sunday. A very high event.

I think it's inspiring me to get this show going here. Like most of us older hippies, we've been put off by so many things which have derailed the movement just as easily as a thread gets derailed here.

My inspiration has ebbed and flowed since this all began. But we can see more clearly now that we MUST communicate and organize like never before. We can't let the naysayers, the trolls, the infiltrators derail us anymore.

We now have the tools, the same type of tools being used (belatedly) by the political forces in this country to organize and mobilize.

We are much wiser now, too. We've seen and been thru too much BS to be lied to or propagandized anymore. We've watched the generations after us become slaves to the system, "victims" of the global mindfuck being perpetrated upon the masses by the same system we demanded be changed or overthrown.

So the ball's back in our court.

How shall we return the service?

How can we mobilize the neo-hippies, the slackers, gens X, Y and Z to join us and continue the movement? Do we want to? Would they want to?

Young people are the future of course, so if we let our generation pass without another picking up from where we leave off, you know it's all over for them. We knew back in the 60s that we were the generation that would make a difference. Perhaps we just didn't realize when that would be...

Perhaps it's NOW! This moment could very well be our last chance to make the final stand and do what needs to be done.

Are we ready at last?

I believe every generation is significant and has a divine purpose. I was at the tail end of the Beatnik gen - I saw them moving enlightening viewpoints into the mainstream to wake people up but they were more laid back. Then, here we come, taking to the streets and blatantly waving our points of view in everyone's faces and really shaking things up. Unfortunately, what you judge you become and we fell into the same trap Big Brother did - "fight for what you believe in".

In my meditations, I was shown that first you have to create the enemy that you then fight. I think now that we've "grown up" and have experience/knowledge we can see a better way. What you believe in you grant reality to. The more people who buy into a belief the stronger it becomes. I believe we need to train our minds to focus on the reality we prefer, the vision we all hold so dear - equality for all, love and peace and not give our power to Big Brother, seeing that collective as a bunch of weak minded fearful souls who have totally lost connection with Source/Love. It's pitiful!

I saw in a vision that the stronger our collective gets, the other will just melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West. Thanks to "them", we learned about mind control. We don't need to take to the streets anymore if we don't want to, we need to network our version of reality and live it, not just say it. How many of us can hold the frequency of love and compassion for all beings?

I was also shown the "pebble in the pond effect" - we drop the pebble of Love into the collective pond and it ripples out to all. The earth has a crystalline latticework inside her. We know that crystals are thought form amplifiers. When we flow Love/Light into the Earth, she transmits it all over. I see and feel the frequency raising. This focus is my mission that I was given when I went to the Light in 1989. We walk the razor's edge, the line between yin/yang. I do fall off but now I know my way Home. We truly are blessed and we are not alone in our divine mission.

Thanks to "them", we learned about mind control. We don't need to take to the streets anymore if we don't want to, we need to network our version of reality and live it, not just say it. How many of us can hold the frequency of love and compassion for all beings?I had a vision last night that concurs with this. We don't need to take to the streets to spread the word. The NET our fellow hippies created, that we access via the PCs that our fellow hippies invented, are all here now for us to use to connect and organize and inspire.

These highly technological representations of the TRUE reality (we are all part of ONE NETWORK), are at our service too. They're not just for fascists to use. They embody our spirit of freedom and equality to such an extent that THEY can't control it (yet). They're still only beginning to grasp the power, the potential and the implications of such an advanced concept.

So we must grab this opportunity to use it for the benefit of all, not just the powerful.

When you said "we need to network our version of reality and live it, not just say it" you hit the nail on the head.

What we can do right here with this group of Old Hippies is SHOW the young ones here "Where it's at!"

By that I mean who we are, how we relate to each other, how we respect and inspire each other!

We couldn't do that with so many from the "outside" coming into our threads and derailing, distorting or discouraging us from spreading the message that we are BACK and ready to CHANGE THE WORLD.

Yes, there is no need for outright violent revolution, only internal evolution, one person at a time... Can we agree on that?

Umm
I think most of us agree that most coming into hippy came seeking
Every one us on different roads of life
As we watch an get involved.....we see it
We may not understand ....but lets face it .....lot of us didn't understand our world
We are still learning....an still confused as hell

WE still drag our 'baggages' with us.... so to speak ....even though we keep trying get rid of some of our excess 'baggage'
It is not an easy road for some

I feel that 'we' who came or returned an stayed in 'hippy' here
Agree.....something has kept us coming back here :)
We are 'gathering' it is happening
Some of us don't really know who, what, when or how to help..... til that 'moment'

I for one may be dragging my tail.....but where do I go on internet besides few other places almost every day
Right here.....
Okay I think I lost my 'focus' of subject LOL
I'm here because I chose to be :)

Many folks here know those 'roads' from their past.....they find where they are needed
Or I should say 'find our selves dropped into' then we wonder.....was I suppose to be here at that said time......hmmmm

The 'hidden' thing we are not sure of .....seems to pull us ....sometimes we
end up not where we thought we were going.....but there we are

To sum it up.....We are here sitting at the computer reading an or typing
away
Waiting for that 'moment'
Our need or theirs

To show our love
An to recieve it as well :)

This place called 'Hippy.com' Hipforums 'Hipplanet' etc
Is the place where WE can.....

'Stand up for our Rights'


Hugs with love :)

When Divine Energy came down on us from the cosmos, enighting a flame inside us.. driving us to create change, we responded.. it did not seek out the plastic or unreal.. it settled into the ones that were ready to be inlightened.. the ones that could understand the need for change and bring it about by action/deed.

The Beatnicks carried the message and wrote it in song and verse..They were not much for the physical, as they were pasifest..they were the Hipsters they were Hip.

They ones comeing up under them, Us knock offs ( hippies), were the warriors so to speak.. we put it out there, we screamed it from the rooftops.. we wailed it out on our guitars.. we banded together and stood firm in our convitctions, we were their Army.. they were our leaders. The Ginsburgs, the Kuracks (sp), the Alperts, the poet lauriates..they groomed us for the onslaught that was about to burst forward.. the clash of the titans.

It was like The Calling Of Jesus Christ to stand and be counted.. to serve The Kingdom of Light and Truth. Everyone that heard the Call came a runnin', from all walks of life from all over the world, spontaniety, wow.. it flooded the streets with the faithful.. let's face it, we were all looking for GOD the god of our creation some sort of supream knowledge/power.. we suddenly were open to a New Spirituality, a thurst for a connection to our origin.. not on a religious quest, but an inner need to fulfill us. To feed us on a different level.. a Spirit Food, Soul Food if you will. We needed something to help us see the path more clearly..enters Timothy Leary, Oz'ley and Sandos Labs..The Doorway to Inlightenment.. Inner Knowledge.. when we Peaked, we Peeked, we peeked into The Otherside.. we went beyond the brainwashing of The Beast/Machine. We floated on a Silver Thread and slipped into a wormhole, a glimps into other realities, other planes of exsistance. Being ALL, Seeing ALL, Knowing ALL.. that's when the word WOW became very popular bc there was no other way to discribe it. It was a Transendental, a Mind Trip to The Otherside of Creation.. Once A Window is open it stays open.. we keep it. We know it, it was imprinted in our minds. We grew thirsty for more Knowledge. now that our minds were open we needed to fill the space or rediscover the truth. We reached a new consciousness.

We realized we were all connected and from the same Source.. all things created was made up of the same Energy, the same lifeforce. We were all Bothers and Sisters in the infinity of creation.

We saw the injustic of Man, the harsh reality of suffering under the domancy of the machine. The demand of production and the slavery of mankind.

We faught.. ohh, how we faught, we did it with just a few, but the few were enough to make some changes for the ALL. We empowered the ppl with at least independent thought, it was kinda like a mass contact high, most everyone 'got it' after it was brought into the light, ppls higher selves nudged them a little, as we brought Higher Consciousness into the mainstream. We did change some of the things we faught the hardest for, Equaility, Equail Pay for Equail Work, Desegragation, Women Rights, Eco-Consciousness, not to forget the forementioned Techno Consciousness, just to name a few heavy hitters.

We acomplished something, we, what was left of us,took to the country as consciousness dictate and rasied our families..life got easier for a while. It wasn't such a battle anymore.. a barrier had been crossed.

It lasted for 30 yrs or so.. not bad for a handfull of ppl. But as they do, things change and often history repetes itself.. and here it is again, rearing it's ugly head. were is our army..we look to the youngers as they are our future as we grow old and grow even fewer as time takes it's toll. What they learn today will be what either saves them or what conqures them from the lack of knowledge.

With the truths we have brought into the light and the path a little wider they go with a better understanding of what we are about and the conection/energy we share with ALL things. With the teachings from the elders they learn the uses of Energy and make needed changes in their time.. If we all work together we can make it happen just by putting the Energy there.

We all learn as we go, each step bringing us closer to what we seek.

Bright Blessings
sh

Shameless...all I can say is "WOW".....very well said :applause:

One of the ideals of the hippy movement was that there should be no limits. Being an "old hippy" should be more a matter of attitude than chronology. If a beautiful 19 year old girl wants to think of herself as an "old hippy" I would be disinclined to deny her the privilege because of the birth date on her driver's license. I would rather tell her about the old days, when I was 19, and her parents were children.

I agree that the age should increase every year. and 10 years old? seems a tad young to me.

don't trust anyone under 40

don't trust anyone under 40Damn! Why does that make so much sense?

SH, you were right on with that! :)

We can still see our own enlightenment and universal oneness reflected in the eyes of those who've also shared this experience (the 60s, the spiritual search, LSD, etc.)

I'm really glad many of us have had a connection with the younger generations who have been led astray by maya and those seeking to control them.

I watched the "E" crowd discover magic mushrooms and LSD and open their minds as we did. However they did not have the same external circumstances as we did back in the sixties (social unrest, the draft, massive protests). So we must continue to inspire them to action if things are going to change in the "left" direction.

Hopefully we are now seeing the rise of the younger generations in the political process. They've all come on line now, many if not most of them have visited hippy.com and the hipforums (probably 20 million already).

So they have the information and history from OUR perspective in addition to the brainwashing our culture has provided.

Getting back to the Age Limit topic of this thread, that's why I've never put an age limit higher than 13 here (anyone can visit hippy.com). These kids need to know at that age that they are being brainwashed and programmed to be good consumers, and that there is an ALTERNATIVE view of reality that is healthier and holistic.

But as I said before, we old hippies also need our own space on the net, and this is it! :)

don't trust anyone under 40
Generally, the younger generation nowadays make terribly bad music. :leaving:

*chuckles* I'm sure that the generation before yours said the same thing of your music. :tongue:

However I agree with you about today's music - though I'm only 27. Does this make me an old hippie living in a young hippie's body?:eek: No really! One of the sure signs that you're old is when you start complaining about how bad the younger generation's music is, and then follow it up by reminiscing how the music was much better in the "good old days" when Kurt Cobain was still alive. That and all your favorite music videos are on Classic MTV. *sigh*

(Okay I'm done. Sorry, couldn't help myself.:&)

*chuckles* I'm sure that the generation before yours said the same thing of your music. :tongue:

However I agree with you about today's music - though I'm only 27. Does this make me an old hippie living in a young hippie's body?:eek: No really! One of the sure signs that you're old is when you start complaining about how bad the younger generation's music is, and then follow it up by reminiscing how the music was much better in the "good old days" when Kurt Cobain was still alive. That and all your favorite music videos are on Classic MTV. *sigh*
Actually, a good gauge of how bad today's music comes from the younger generation themselves. Many of today's younger people still listen to classic rock and they themselves don't like many of what is pimped on nowadays as "musiK" aka "cRAP".

That's because classic rock had Jimmy Page, Hendrix, and Lennon! But where are the Pages, Hendrix's, Lennons, of today? Where are the new Santanas?

I should go with 48 (1960 ->), and as I've just passed that mark seems apt! but reckon if you are going to go with an 'Old Hippie' forum, 40(+) is the right number for this particular section.

Sure the hippie lifestyle is about attitude and spirit, but I don’t think there's anything wrong with the 'open' forum to discuss subjects across the age barrier (and isn't that what the 'ask the old Hippies' section is about-to ask?).

For Hippies of a certain age, who grew up at/with 'the initial time of change' the significance of the period was a lot more socially different to that which the 'teen hippies' face today and to 'advise accordingly, seems somewhat condescending(?)

< Peace + Love ~ Save the Planet >

I asked to join old hippies after I was greeted with "wow, your old!" by a YH on the introduce yourself forum. It was after that I happily found all of you. We share experiences in common as a group, defined to some degree by our ages. Its not discrimination to divide ourselves into groups according to age. In the Marijuana forum a 16 yo said it would never be legalized because we "old fuckers" would vote against it while he was at school or at work. If there is age discrimination thats where its coming from.

You are only as pretty as you feel inside

I agree with those who say older hippies need a place to go where they can just sit and talk. It’s a public forum so younger ones can read it. They just can’t post to it. Kind of like when tribal elders counsel, the children can listen but not speak.

The big problem is that there is no easy way to decide who an older hippy is. The easiest is age but that is not a good determiner, as someone could be 60, like me, yet have no clue what a hippy is. Do we take a test? What are the questions that should be asked, something like did you sit on hippy hill in San Fran in ’67 (yes) or were you at the first Woodstock (no) or how many times have you heard the phrase; “What’s a matter, did your barber die?” (I lost count) or “can you tell me what a hippy is?” (Well I knew but I could not say). So I guess we’re stuck with age. That means we need to ask ourselves who we want to talk to, people who had the same experiences (50 or older) or those who have a similar mind set (40 or younger) or both (40 or older).

I voted 50, mainly I guess secretly hoping that would weed out some of the younger ones so I might find some of those that I knew back in the 60’s and 70’s. Also I spend a lot of time in the other forums, so already talk to a lot of younger ones and it would be nice to have a place where I could go to talk with those near my own age.

i voted 40

The thread seems still active, so I'm posting here.
Voted for 50 being the lowest age. I'm 42 and when I was a hippie 25 years ago, well, I felt the thing was largely over. I mean, the great activities of hippies had been over in the early 80-s. Of course, for those YH who are now 25-30 I am kinda "old hippie". But the way you put it here and why the Old Hippies group was created, I don't feel I could rightfully belong to it. I should have been some 8-10 years older.

And a few words about the necessary restrictions. I think they should NOT be considered anti-hippy, it is just about what Internet is. From the very early times of the existence of Internet it had been clear that every host needed security measures. Ever since people started writing viruses and other interfering nasty kind of junk.
Accordingly here, with this Old Hippie group on the web you created, you CAN'T go without some restrictions and such like stuff, I'm afraid. Well, even every living thing is created in a fashion, when it has its protecting mechanisms, filtering systems and the like. Why? Well, you take these away, and at some point in time there will be no difference between the organism and the environment.

And a list of questions for the candidates is a good idea, I think. Maybe, ask them, how they understand the meaning of McLean's "American Pie" in order to see, if they belong to that time:D. Or something like that, which would show one's heart?
Then again, after some time, if you see some person is below 50 but is showing all signs of an "old hippie" in her/his posts, you can invite :cheers2: such person into the group.

I just mean, if these things don't sound like hippie kind of stuff, then we may not forget , this is INTERNET. Internet dictates its own rules, every sysadmin knows that full well. IMVHO
So, dear Old Hippies, it will be very interesting to hear from you here. And the jerks need absolutely to be ruled out somehow, there's no alternative, I'm afraid. May peace and love and hope and joy be with you.

Kostya

Well 40 was the most voted for age for the Old Hippies, and I decided to follow that. Anyone who is over 40 now has a lot more experience than the young hippies do, and although they were too young to be part of the "original" hippie scene, they have experienced a lot of what happened after the 60s, and are mature and probably not going to cause us older hippies any grief by posting in the forum.

Plus they often have a lot to contribute and are usually pretty "enlightened" as well.

I always prefer to be inclusive rather than exclusive, but as we've been discussing here we do need a place for us older hippies to congregate without the usual Q & A from the youngsters.

Well 40 was the most voted for age for the Old Hippies, and I decided to follow that. Anyone who is over 40 now has a lot more experience than the young hippies do, and although they were too young to be part of the "original" hippie scene, they have experienced a lot of what happened after the 60s, and are mature and probably not going to cause us older hippies any grief by posting in the forum.

Plus they often have a lot to contribute and are usually pretty "enlightened" as well.

I always prefer to be inclusive rather than exclusive, but as we've been discussing here we do need a place for us older hippies to congregate without the usual Q & A from the youngsters.Spoken like a true "Hippy"! ;)

There should be no boundaries in the world. So to be a old hippie should not depend on ur age it should be on ur experience.

I voted 40.