This is regarding anti-gay comments in this forum and those who dislike homosexuals.
The question is: Should Gays be given a special forum just for themselves to fellowship in,
or,
would it be better to give anti-gays a forum they can stay in?

This could be my advice:

Well the problem with anti-*Homos leaving, is that there then is no place for them to rail against Homosexuality. This forum should be for discussing pros and cons of belief in *Homos and Homosexuality.

A 'gay sanctuary forum' gives *Homos their own place to hang out in fellowship. It enhances the brainwashing they crave, reinforces their isolation from reality, and gives free reign for them to act like hypocrites.

*Notice how I have used the word 'Homos' and later I will explain why that is just about an exact parralel to using another term towards another group.
And yes its 'disrespectful' btw.

In all honestly, and keeping in mind this is said to be a Free Speech forum, do you think 'my advice' is something that should be banned, moved or censored from this forum?

the thing is...nobody except hate group trolls ever do
and trolling is stopped yes
but i dont feel any gays here feeel the need for a place to hide

(btw srry this started in christianity wich i guess ya'll kno isnt very gay freindly , so appologizin for ElProximo)

No, if we start segregating people by putting them into little boxes and building high Iron curtains then this will totally destroy unity of this forum.

Those who do make homophobic comments should be given a pm warning, and given two chances then they are out for a certain amount of hours. If they come back and do it again, then permenent ban should be implemented. I believe that everyone deserves a second chance, even if the offense was serious.


Any homophobic comments should be treated the same way as spam that trolls often produce. Ignore them, don't feed them and in due course they will simply get fed up and pick on another forum or spam their neighbours.

well actualy i do deal with homophobic comments simply by deleting them and I will deal with people who consistantly use homphobic langauge accordingly.
if I do miss anything its usually reported, then I deal with it.
so homophobic attacks around here usually aren't visuable very long.

there are two options for gay people who would like their own sanctuary

apply to Skip for a 'member group'
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173553

or if you are a subscriber to the hip forums ask Skip for your own private forum or your own personnal forum, where you would be made mod and would control what happens in there

I'm not saying these requests would be granted but the options are there to explore
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Homophobic comments ARE NOT against the forum rules, in here I have zero tolerance for any HP comments and I remove them, but outside the gay forum, providing the comments are not directed against another member then people can say what they wish too and thats because this is a free speech site
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Interesting.
Thanks for all the responses so far!

i find theres very lil homophobia from within hipforums as a whole, and the only real homophobic posts are generaly the trolls, who are pretty ez to spot by the sheer stupidity of theyre posts, not to mention complete inability to spell
its also odvios they come here just to attack and disrupt, since from post 1 they spout stupidity

thats very different from a homophobic post like 'i'm unconfortable around gays because...' or 'being gay is a sin, heres the proof'
which are discussions of real issies while posts like 'all yuos fagz re so gehy' (yeha yuz' fuks yus muthas..hahaha)
posts like that are generaly attacks from right wing forums, or hate groups
and personaly i concider them a personal attack (not on me, being straight) but on the forums and every last person in the community, many of which happen tobe gay

People deserve a space to be free from aggresive questioning.

I think people should be allowed to post whatever they choose.

However, I wish that homophobic threads and posts would just be ignored.

No....this is a free speach forum....so there shouldnt be a ban...besides..I and Sam can handle any hate that is thrown at this forum.

and I will deal with people who consistantly use homphobic langauge accordingly.How do you decide whether someone is using a certain term in a way that is offensive? We all know certain words that were once insults and are nowadays reclaimed and used by the community they were once used against - I've seen threads in the gay forum that start off with the person saying something like "I have been wondering about my sexuality blah blah blah" and then they use all these words like "fags" and "queer" etc etc etc and you just know that the person is twisting the story so that they can see how far they push it. but people being what they are dont see it - they just take it at face value so go along with it but when you read closely you see they were havin a laugh at other peoples expense

I dont see how you can say have a sanctuary without eliminating that kind of thread - In the end you'll finish up having forums called "gay sanctuary" and "gay bashing" because unless you do then its not free speech - I'm not saying you should do that - I'm saying you hve to be careful that it doesnt happen so you shouldnt factionalise everything because thats what it will amount to - I think common sense dictates who is blatantly out of order and who is raising genuine concerns and those things should be done in one forum not two - besides that would be twice the work

I think people should be allowed to post whatever they choose.

However, I wish that homophobic threads and posts would just be ignored.
Yes thankyou, I've lost count of the amount of times I have said this, not about just anti gay stuff but spam in general, if people simply ignored it, we'd have a lot less abuse on here.
people simply have to take responsibility, OK you may be very anti- abuse your self but are you encouraging it by the way you choose to react to it?

How do you decide whether someone is using a certain term in a way that is offensive? We all know certain words that were once insults and are nowadays reclaimed and used by the community they were once used against - I've seen threads in the gay forum that start off with the person saying something like "I have been wondering about my sexuality blah blah blah" and then they use all these words like "fags" and "queer" etc etc etc and you just know that the person is twisting the story so that they can see how far they push it. but people being what they are dont see it - they just take it at face value so go along with it but when you read closely you see they were havin a laugh at other peoples expense

I have deleted many threads that fit this critia, I feel like people aren't having much faith in me, I may be a moderator but I am also a gay man, I know when people are being ethier directly or indirectly abusive

I dont see how you can say have a sanctuary without eliminating that kind of thread - In the end you'll finish up having forums called "gay sanctuary" and "gay bashing" because unless you do then its not free speech - I'm not saying you should do that - I'm saying you hve to be careful that it doesnt happen so you shouldnt factionalise everything because thats what it will amount to - I think common sense dictates who is blatantly out of order and who is raising genuine concerns and those things should be done in one forum not two - besides that would be twice the work
if someone wants to start their own forum then its their space and they call the shots, so 'free speech' then becomes a mute point.
however there are still some things that won't be tolerated in ones own forum like bullying or insulting other members or making threads that could threaten the whole of hip forums, however if someone wanted to start a 'gay sanctuary' on here they could do, and they could edit and delete what ever they wanted- and in the process find out how hard it is running something that pleases everyone

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This site is free speech, however if a person chooses to go into an area that has nothing to do with this subject and start anti-gay rants, then they will find their posts deleted and a warning may be given about off topic posting
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personaly i think all of hipforums is already a gay sanctuary..since really its pretty safe to just be open and honnest about yourselves and your sexuality all over the forums
plus we have sich great mods like erz and sam
plus i'd say at least most posters are generaly openminded..and the close minded ones could use a lil bit of a challange to theyre beliefs
why should all things gay be kept just in the gay forum..why not relationships as well..and love and sex and real kinky and oral and anal and true love and ..well ya get what i'm saying
ofcourse the gay forums good to have to discus gay specific issues
i guess what im sayin is, all of hf should be a safe place for everyone to just be who they are, without fear of being attacked for it

personaly i think all of hipforums is already a gay sanctuary..since really its pretty safe to just be open and honnest about yourselves and your sexuality all over the forums
plus we have sich great mods like erz and sam
plus i'd say at least most posters are generaly openminded..and the close minded ones could use a lil bit of a challange to theyre beliefs
why should all things gay be kept just in the gay forum..why not relationships as well..and love and sex and real kinky and oral and anal and true love and ..well ya get what i'm saying
ofcourse the gay forums good to have to discus gay specific issues
i guess what im sayin is, all of hf should be a safe place for everyone to just be who they are, without fear of being attacked for it
but then the love and sex forum would be linked to all sexulities yeah?
I'm talking about going into needlework (for example) and gay bashing, then it would be off topic
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but then the love and sex forum would be linked to all sexulities yeah?
I'm talking about going into needlework (for example) and gay bashing, then it would be off topic
S shouldnt love and sex be about all things love and sex?
why should it be only certain things like straight or bi
needlework? i knew we have crafters is there a needlework specific?
ya thinkin bout sewin an anti-gay quilt? lol

shouldnt love and sex be about all things love and sex?

reread what I wrote because I said exactly that
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Its verry clear when people are gay bashing on the gay forums , and Sam and I dont just quickly do away with someones post before we are sure there wasnt a real purpose in it ither than just flaming gays. Believe me , the sort that come on here and Gay bash dont bother trying to cover their intent....they are usually pretty open in letting everyone know that they are here to point out that being Gay is wrong , or a Sin , or such.

I completely trust our two very wonderful mods, erzebet and Samhain. Since they been mods I have noticed a very sharp reduction in HP posts.

well done guys ((HUGS)), I appreciate the great job y'all are doing.

bob

I completely trust our two very wonderful mods, erzebet and Samhain. Since they been mods I have noticed a very sharp reduction in HP posts.

well done guys ((HUGS)), I appreciate the great job y'all are doing.

bob
and we'll pay you later for that little post
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Hahaha...yea...would you take a check ???

If anyone gets persistant anti gay stuff from a member then there is always an ignore function. One should obviously report it and the it can be dealt with. Or a filter could be used.

i don't think so. i agree with everyone, this is a free speech forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. just ignore any negative opinions you may receive...

If anyone gets persistant anti gay stuff from a member then there is always an ignore function. One should obviously report it and the it can be dealt with. Or a filter could be used.
that would be flamming keep a copy of offending PM's and report which threads it occurs on, and yes absolutly don't respond and seek support from a mod
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Wasnt meaning to imply BTW that the mods arent good -
just that this conversation comes from skip sayin
he might put up a christian sanctuary
It occurs that there would be more work for mods 2 do
and also about other things but essentially I was just generally
throwing my 2 pence worth into the equation - not
making statements about quality but implication

WTF??? IS that Noel Edmunds on that trophy ????
LOL - it is isnt it????
damnation - if thats Noel Edmunds thats funny !!!
If its someone else then they should have a career in the
Noel Edmunds impersonation industry
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/attachment_php2.jpg

Wasnt meaning to imply BTW that the mods arent good -
just that this conversation comes from skip sayin
he might put up a christian sanctuary
It occurs that there would be more work for mods 2 do
and also about other things but essentially I was just generally
throwing my 2 pence worth into the equation - not
making statements about quality but implication

WTF??? IS that Noel Edmunds on that trophy ????
LOL - it is isnt it????
damnation - if thats Noel Edmunds thats funny !!!
If its someone else then they should have a career in the
Noel Edmunds impersonation industry
http://www.hipgallery.com/photopost2/data/500/attachment_php2.jpg
I got awarded it for innovative use of smileys on a thread, you can click on my reward to go to said thread
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